i am actively writing this… still 7 jul 2012, now 1 nov 2012, now 2 feb 2013 any questions would be a big help.
i’m having a difficult time giving away a $99 23&me dna test or a $139 ancestry one. i don’t know why people turn down dna testing, it’s just way too cool.
i’m not used to writing for other people, this will be for the 2 gentlemen/people(i’m not finding paternal dna males, unfortunately) i need to get dna data from to show our potential relationship. neither the known or unknown sample as been obtained!!
major idea: john joseph mason is probably kin to my masons. but i have dna connections to co. galway kelly’s. this makes me wonder is ella kelly is not a distant cousin to jjm, or maybe to catherine, wife of richard of the immigrant generation.
LOOKING FOR A MASON&KELLY RELATIONSHIP
In the 1920 census my 2nd great grand uncle Richard E. Mason, b. 1852 in Philadephia, is living at 2110 57th st . I like researching Richard E. because he is a nice stable guy, appearing in all the census from 1860 to 1920, always living in Philadelphia within a few miles of where he was born. Besides i think my dad was named after him and i’m a junior. So researching him is like chasing myself.
Richard is line 7, john joseph is line 21.
Well anyhow, next door at 2114 is John Joseph Mason, b 1874 in Ireland with his wife Ella Ellen J Kelly Birth 20 Dec 1876 in Cloonfush, Tuam, Galway, Ireland. Now i found a very active genealogist(&nice)-cloonfushpa who has Ella J.K.’s family back to this little town in Galway co, Tuam. What i don’t have -is- any idea of it what relationship, if any, Richard and John Joseph have.
another important census is 1880, when maggie(margaret MNU mason)-richard’s mother, my 2nd ggmom is living with them, she dies later this year.
followup, try to find brother- S/P Mason- who met john joseph at phila docks. use directories. thus far unsuccessful, too many masons. JJ emigrates from northern ireland according to later census. i do not know if he is protestant or catholic.
what i’m doing is assuming the masons and kellys are related back in ireland. that JJ is a cousin of my masons. it is possible that ella is the distant cousin as well.
Now, i’ve done the dna testing thing, both at 23&me and FTDNA(and ancestry), so i have relationships via shared segments of chromosomes to lots of people. I’ve plotted, at last count, 58 of these folks and tried to find our shared lineages. Fortunately my grandparents came from very different places: from Sweden, from Ireland, from colonial times in VA, or MD or from Hesse-Germany. So oftentimes i can tell where a connection might be made, my Masons are all Irish and no other lineages trace back to Ireland, just the Masons and a one of their spouses.
So when i find 3 Kelly-Irish dna connections i know they are related somehow to my Philadelphia Masons. Now, 2 of 3 of dna Kellys trace right back to these Kellys from Tuam tying into Ella Kelly’s grandparents and one traces back to Co. Galway, nearby(just on the other side of the loch). So what i need to do is test a descendant of John Joseph Mason and Ella Kelly to see if i’m their distant cousin. I found one, still living in Philadelphia, i hope he responses to my email. yes he did-found via twitter. waiting to see if he accepts my offer of a kit. yes-13 sep 2012, mailing my next ancestry kit to him today. reported kit lost 2/1/2013. replacement coming.
next dna step, review top 100 dna matches for irish ancestors.
Ella J Kelly father is:
Birth 11 Dec 1842 in Aghlorah, Tuam, Co Galway, Ireland
Death 1930 in Cloonfush, Tuam, Galway, Ireland
the story of cloonfushpa’s trip to ireland is at:
ella kelly pdf pedigree
one of the most heart felt tributes to ancestors i’ve seen.
- the first match is with JM, it is necessarily through his mother’s side ADKM, because i match her on same segments, her lineage which is very recent Irish.
The earliest ancestors he has is patrick kelly, b.1835 galway & margaret conneely b.1846 they are from Oughterard, on the shore of Lough Corrib in Co. Galway. just across the lough from tuam. right place & right time. the problem is that the paper trail runs out before a mason-kelly connection.
- the second dna match is JD Kelly, he appears to be a 2nd cousin to ADKM
- the 3rd is HB, at this point i have inadequate data to place his ancestors for sure. i need to review this
i found another group of kellys living near the masons in the census
—>work here next. maybe find a descendant of this kennedy-kelly group
now i need to find a known mason male to get tested. there is only 1- who i found on the 5th of july because of the unusual spelling of his wife’s name. so i have the 2 people i need. but haven’t established contact with this mason line, wrote via fb. i’m in contact with immediate family but not him. there are 2 sons that can do the testing as well. no response to repeated requests.
i have another potential mason dna match, this time from andrews test.
leads to ann mason
this genetic connection is a mystery. 3-5th cousin. put on back burner.
at this time i need a descendant of john joseph and ella mason to get tested.
i’m not going to get a y chromosome mason. autosomal this close ought to be enough. problem will be separating mason and kelly potentially.